Crashing Moho 5.3 with Locked and Dynamic Constrained Bones

Toontoonz · Post by **Toontoonz** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:36 pm

Crashing Moho 5.3 with Locked and Dynamic Constrained Bones

After taking a look at Ramon´s SeCrEt Crash test and thinking of the situation I had with the locking bone in a previous post I tried a simple test.
(I would post the Moho file, but Moho always crashed when I first tried to do anything).

A brief description:
Oval shape, 3 bones.
Bottom bone the Parent bone - locked.
Top two bones (not locked) given bone dynamics.

Go to time line, try to move any bone - CRASH! Moho has stopped to function, shuts down.

Tried it with various shapes, sizes, number of bones but always had one locked and children off that parent/root bone had bone dynamics on. Always crashed Moho.

ulrik · Post by **ulrik** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:23 pm

I tried and made a similar setup, oval shape on vector layer inside bone layer, 3 bones, 1 locked 2 others with bone dynamics. When I try to manipulate a bone, moho crashes.
I'm using v.5.3 on mac osx 10.4.3

Rasheed · Post by **Rasheed** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:50 pm

I've tried Toontoonz recipe, but Moho didn't crash.
Moho 5.3, Mac OS X 10.3.9.
Here's my file, copy it, save it as "test.moho" and see if it crashes Moho or not:

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Toontoonz · Post by **Toontoonz** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:55 am

Your example was not set up like I described above.

- Your top bone is not parented to any other bone.

- You bottom (parent/root) bone is not locked.

I had also selected in the bone dynamics for the top two bones Angle Constraints and Bone Dynamics.

Once I made those changes to your Moho 5.3 file, went in the time line, selected a bone to move then Moho crashed.

Rasheed · Post by **Rasheed** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:18 am

The top bone was parented to the bottom bone.

Indeed the bottom bone wasn't locked, because Moho will not allow me to do this; bone locking is unchecked immediately after I go to another frame. This is probably also the reason why I can't reproduce the crash. Bone locking doesn't seem to work at all, also in other situations (without bone dynamics).

So there's my bug:

Bone locking doesn't seem to work in Moho version 5.3
(Moho 5.3, Mac OS X 10.3.9)

Toontoonz · Post by **Toontoonz** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:31 am

The parenting in my 3 bone oval example (though I did not make it clear) was:

(top) bone (bone dynamics, not locked)
connected to
(middle) bone (bone dynamics, not locked)
connected to
(bottom) Parent bone (locked)

In that set up it crashes Moho.

Interesting you can´t get the one bone to lock.
Seems to be lots of interesting things in update 5.3.

Rasheed · Post by **Rasheed** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:34 am

I'm seriously considering to go back to an earlier version until a bug fix is released.

Post by **Lost Marble** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:39 pm

This is the same problem as a bone-related crash that Ramon reported in another thread. The fix is coming soon.

jahnocli · Post by **jahnocli** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:43 pm

Crashing bones --- ee-e-euh-uuhhh...

Toontoonz · Post by **Toontoonz** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:12 pm

The reason I tried this simple bones example was to see if it would crash Moho because I got the impression from LM´s response to Ramon`s bone crashing that it was due to out of the ordinary strangeness that was set up in that example.

Have not seen a warning to everyone from LM that bones in update 5.3 have a general serious problem and should be avoided until Moho is fixed.

I love to waste my time setting up bones animations and watching Moho crash and thinking it is my fault for doing something wrong and not the fault of the software....

Post by **Lost Marble** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:02 am

If you're experiencing this problem, please re-download Moho to get a fix. After reinstalling, check that the version number in Moho's about box is 5.3.1.