Problem with binding points

[mystd]

I was binding points and when I tried out the right footbone the head moves with it. I have no idea whats happening, the head has nothing to do with the foot it's on a different layer.

http://i.imgur.com/cslPvdN.jpg

Is this maybe an issue with the parenting?
http://i.imgur.com/mrOlOsl.jpg

It seem to happen with the whole right leg all 4 bones from the hip to the foot.

I was able to fix it by removing the head and hair from a folder and putting it into the bone layer/folder directly. Looks like this is a bug.

[synthsin75]

This is user error, no bug. If the head bone doesn't move when the head does, why would you think this is a bone parenting problem? Do you know how layer binding works? You should check that group layer you pulled the head and hair out of.

And you should REALLY go through the tutorials included with AS (Help>Tutorials). Most of your problems are because you haven't taken the time to learn the basics.

[Greenlaw]

If you don't want to go through the written tutorials, try the online video tutorials. You won't get all the details but the playlist is actually a very good way to get up and running quickly. I think some of the videos may even cover techniques not fully covered in written tutorials. I recommend having ASP open in the background to try out concepts as they are introduced.

At the very least, you should also go through the main user manual. No need to memorize it, just get familiar with the structure and content so you have a good understanding of all the program's capabilities and know where to find the information.

In recent years, ASP has become a powerful animation system and with version 11 it's becoming quite comprehensive too. At my job, we use ASP, Harmony and After Effects for much of our 2D animation, but ASP is my personal first choice for rigged character animation.

[mystd]

@GreenLaw why do you always sound like you'r advertising AS? You already told me that you use different software at your workingplace and that AS is one of your favorites. Repeating that all the time in that strange advertising tone devalues it and makes it look like you'r getting paid to write that. I'm not trying to discredit AS or anything, AS has some really great features and the smarbones are just genius. I always write down problems I encounter in forums of every software I use, if I can't find the problem with the search. I do so mainly because I hope that it gets fixed in future a version.

Ok it's an user error but it did look like a bug for me since I 'm not too familar with AS yet. I've tried it and bound the head to the foot and that recreated the problem exactly. So I must have bound it to the foot by mistake.

I'm already using the videotutorials combined with discovery based learning. The docs are too detailed for my taste I just use them when I want to learn a specific tool/feature when I can't find a videotut that explains it. I learn better with audiovisual media. I'm also more of a hands on person, which is kinda not working out so well in learning AS.

[jahnocli]

@mystd -- If you are impatient and unwilling to start with the basics, yelling "bug" every time the software doesn't behave like you expect is a surefire way to piss people off. Over the past few weeks the forum has been alive to your cries for help while you are thrashing around -- why don't you learn how to swim before jumping in to the deep end?

[Greenlaw]

Sorry, just trying to help. Moving on.

[neeters_guy]

@GreenLaw why do you always sound like you'r advertising AS? You already told me that you use different software at your workingplace and that AS is one of your favorites. Repeating that all the time in that strange advertising tone devalues it and makes it look like you'r getting paid to write that.

Why would you even say that? Greenlaw has been nothing but helpful and courteous, here and in other threads. How about little more gratitude and less attitude?

[mystd]

I'm pretty much learning the basics right now so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm just not learning them purely from the docs with more focus on video tutorials. I'm having problems with the tools but isn't that normal when ppl start using software? The reason I think that everything is a bug is because I've encountered some that have been a real issue for me. Even if it's just an usability issue I report it because I'm hoping that it gets improved if I write it down. I'm also not just crying for help I always search before I post and if I can't find the right tutorial, google search or post, I post the question myself. Granted some could be avoided if I silently read the docs from start to finish but I just don't have the patience/intelligence to go through so much detail in one go. Like I said I'm a hands on guy I need to see, hear and actively do something to learn it efficiently.

What you perceive as thrashing around is my way of giving critic. I'm not sure why it would piss off people, the only ones that could get pissed of by it are the ones directly involved with AS. If that is the case it's pretty much a jackpot because it has reached the right ears and will hopefully lead to AS improvement. Please don't missunderstand, I mean well, I only criticize things I care about. I think that AS has a lot of potential I just don't find it user friendly the way it currently handles. I'm pretty sure it'll become very powerfull software once I've adapted to all it's quirks but I also believe that making it more user friendly will get more ppl on board.

To those I've pissed off. If it's about how I write and how I behave please note that you'd be asking me to change my personality, that if I would change wouldn't be me anymore and pretty much would kill off the parts of me that are passionate and creative. I can only repeat that I mean well, nothing I write is intended as an insult, I'm just very direct. I am a very honest guy, I pretty much write what I think. I'm used to being misunderstood and clash with people because of it, but I have no problem talking stuff trough and explaining myself. Also note that getting pissed is not necessarily a bad thing, it gives you the energy to change stuff.

In case it got a bit out of sight I'm very thankful for any help I get. Please bear with me and I hope that what I post even if it's a bit exhausting to some is helpful for everyone in the long run.

[Greenlaw]

Hang in there--with time and with practice, the instinct for knowing the right tools and techniques for a given task will come naturally.

My apologies in advance if the following paragraph sounds like yet another Smith-Micro infomercial from me:

IMO, ASP is actually one of the easier programs to use for 2D rigging and animation. This isn't to say, of course, that rigging and animation (in any program) is 'easy' to learn. Like anything worth doing, skill comes through regular practice and solving problems as they arise, and knowledge comes by asking questions. And this forum is the place to ask questions because many long time users are enthusiastic about sharing their knowledge and experience.

I've been actively using ASP for only a couple of years and the software continues to be a game changer for me and my profession. Learning the intricacies of certain ASP concepts and tools didn't happen overnight though--as a matter of fact, I'm still learning new features and techniques every week. And the users who frequently respond to my questions have, in no small part, helped me learn a lot about the program that's not even covered in the manual. I'm so appreciative of their advice and assistance that I try to give back to the community by sharing my own discoveries.

It's okay if, as you say, it's a natural part of your personality to be blunt and criticizing but let's be honest: this is also an excellent way to discourage helpfulness from fellow users and probably the developers. (Yes, some of the developers and support staff do read and contribute to this forum.) The user community is not here because somebody pays us to help and answer questions; we're here because we're crazy about the program and we want everybody to share in that enthusiasm. If you're really seeking helpful replies to your posts, you should think about framing your questions in a more considerate tone. Just sayin'.

[mystd]

Maybe I'm a so accustomed to other software that Anime Studios easiness becomes a hurdle to me. If I discourage people from helping me even after explaining myself so be it, I'd rater see progress then being liked.

This is becoming really OT but I take critic seriously in whatever form it comes. Can you give me examples where my questions haven't been considerate? Except of the "why do you always sound like you'r advertising AS?" I agree that was my bluntness speaking and a bit unnecessary. Form my point of view my question have been normal and only became my blunt critic when I found some in my opinion really bad design flaw missing feature etc.

[drumlug13]

This is quite a bit longer than I usually post but you did ask. This isn't to pile on and call you a jerk or anything but I think maybe it can explain some of the reaction you are getting on the forum.

To be honest there have been a few things in your recent posts that have made me do a double take. I think, just in general, that it's a bit frustrating for the people that offered help, to hear you imply that you just don't have the time or the desire to go through the basics in the manual. It takes time out of anyone's day to sit down and type out a response to your questions. Then to get a blunt reply from you in return? Can you see how that could be viewed as lack of consideration? It's not necessarily the wording of your original posts, but the replies through the threads that follow. And I don't mean every singly one of them, you've shown thanks or gratitude as well.

Just for example, look at your thread about the space key. Clearly you don't like the way the way the space key/playback works in AS. So you listed 11 different programs with, I think, 9 or 10 different ways those programs play animation. then you posted...

That is pretty much all the animation software I know of and deem mentionable and non of them uses the space key as playback key. Even if they did use the space key they at least have the option to change it. Seriously AS is in version 11 and I can't change a goddamn key and ppl here wonder why I get pissed of so much

But all you proved by listing all that other software was that, different software has different ways of doing things. Your assumption that these differences are bugs or quirks in AS is off base. How can these be bugs or quirks if the tools work the way they are described to work in the manual? But then you say...

The docs are too detailed for my taste I just use them when I want to learn a specific tool/feature when I can't find a videotut that explains it.

The manual is a lot of information to take in. When I first started around AS 7, it took me about a week to work through the exercises in the manual. Just keep in mind that when you post a question, you are asking for someone's time to respond. On top of that, those responses are coming from people who also took the time to work through the manual. And even then, some of the replies you are getting so far are coming from people that work professionally in animation. And that is valuable advice. (Not mine, for I am just a lowly hobbyist hack, speaking as a friend)

Just keep that in mind and reread your replies before you hit submit. Nobody is asking you to change your real life personality, or "kill off the parts of (you) that are passionate and creative". We're all on an animation software forum. You have to ask yourself if typing out blunt-passionate-creativity posts (just for the sake of remaining true to your character) is more important than receiving help when you're in a jam?

Your last reply to Greenlaw in the other thread was great and people that take that kind of approach generally find more people willing to help. Just my thoughts on an unexpected day off after about a half a pot of coffee.

[synthsin75]

Form my point of view my question have been normal and only became my blunt critic when I found some in my opinion really bad design flaw missing feature etc.

The problem comes when you declare something a design flaw or bug BUT you haven't even bothered to learn the basics yet. Can you see how that makes you unqualified to judge? Your lack of knowledge is what causes you the most trouble. You would be better off waiting to criticize until you've mastered the program. This is true of any software out there.

[JaMike]

The most vocal critics often become the biggest fans, when they are helped to see the light.

[mystd]

@drumlug13 I've proven that pretty much every software out there doesn't use space as playback and that you can change the keybindings in pretty much every other animation software. I've learned some coding and keybinding isn't that hard to do, so not implementing that is a very very strange thing. Maybe the devs forgot or didn't think it would matter but if I have problems with hitting space while working and don't notice it because I'm a clumsy scatterbrain so do others. Same with putting edit keyboard shortcuts in help, it even has the EDIT in its name. If the fanboys here can't take that kind of critic, which has absolutely nothing to do with any PERSON but with how the software handles and don't want to help because of it so be it. Nobody has any obligation to reply to anyone.

The reason I say fanboy here is because if someone is not actively involved in the development the only reason to get pissed is being overprotective, which fanboys tend to do. This is not meant as an insult it's just my way of phrasing. If anyone takes this personally it's his problem.

@synthsin75 I have a somewhat different opinion about that: Any software or game that aims to get lots of users needs to be easy to use and understand. If beginners can't have an opinion and the opinions are disregarded the software will become hard to use and will only be used by those"experts" you are talking about. Anyone that doesn't have the capacity to learn that hard to use software will use other software that is easier to get into. There are things only beginners can see because they do not have the proper training yet.

I agree that some question could be avoided, BUT if I don't ask those n00bish questions somebody else will. Like I said I don't just ask them, I only ask when I can't find the answer myself. You also completely ignore that I learn better audio/visual. Believe it or not there are people out there that have problems learning with text alone. You say it took you a week to go through the docs I would need several month, probably half a year to learn from them. But when I watch a video where I hear and see the process and recreate it I can remember it much much better and it saves me a lot of time. That is why I only use the docs too look up things. It's not I don't use them at all.

Form now on I'll just note everything down and not write the critic in the same thread, but collect everything and then just put it in one big bug/suggestion thread. That way nobody should be offended in any way.

[synthsin75]

@synthsin75 I have a somewhat different opinion about that: Any software or game that aims to get lots of users needs to be easy to use and understand. If beginners can't have an opinion and the opinions are disregarded the software will become hard to use and will only be used by those"experts" you are talking about. Anyone that doesn't have the capacity to learn that hard to use software will use other software that is easier to get into. There are things only beginners can see because they do not have the proper training yet.

I agree that some question could be avoided, BUT if I don't ask those n00bish questions somebody else will. Like I said I don't just ask them, I only ask when I can't find the answer myself. You also completely ignore that I learn better audio/visual. Believe it or not there are people out there that have problems learning with text alone. You say it took you a week to go through the docs I would need several month, probably half a year to learn from them. But when I watch a video where I hear and see the process and recreate it I can remember it much much better and it saves me a lot of time. That is why I only use the docs too look up things. It's not I don't use them at all.

Form now on I'll just note everything down and not write the critic in the same thread, but collect everything and then just put it in one big bug/suggestion thread. That way nobody should be offended in any way.

Nonsense. Every pro user was once a beginner, so don't pretend that we don't remember the learning process. This "things only beginners can see" is just a way to excuse the trouble you're having as being anything's fault but your own. If you really tried to find the answer, you'd have read the user manual. And if your reading comprehension isn't up to the task, that is your personal problem...not a failing of the software. You should be honest with yourself about the true cause of your difficulties.

Until you understand how everything works, you'd be better off keeping your supposed "bugs" to yourself.