CONTINUOUS Crashings Manipulating my Skeletons in 5.3

[Rai López]

HI! A serious thing! Imposible work in this way , at first, when trying, Moho 5.3 crashes to me in several ocasions, but now that I'm try to work with it I've discovered that is simply IMPOSSIBLE (crying or very sad, yes...) I've put here a simplified version of my basic skeletons setup for you can see what I'm talking about if you treat to Manipulate, let's say... a hand in example... Never happended before something like this in previous versions... and I'm a little worried, BYE!

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### Created in Moho version 5.3, © 1999-2005 Lost Marble
### Created: Thu Dec 08 18:02:56 2005

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SORRY for put it so, but was the most quick way to me now...

[Rai López]

Hmmm... I think that Crashes can be relationated with the use of Dynamics in the bone chains, could be?

[Lost Marble]

Yep, it's a bug. I'll get a Moho update out soon. Just curious: this is a very strange bone setup - are you actually going to animate something with it, or are you just trying to crash Moho?

[Rai López]

Jaja , nop... And you have don't seen the real one... I've done this "version" respecting the basic parent/childs setup, constrains and dinamics to can simulate the bug without the necessity of revelate all my *SeCreTs* Anyway I'm surprised now cause I have never had any problem with it in the past and (THANKS GOD) is very strange to me get Moho chash ...By the way THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the support! (for the BEST support )

[T]

Awww c'mon!! Reveal your *SeCreTs*!!

Promise, we won't tell anyone... really!

[Toontoonz]

Ramon, I´m trying to figure out what the bones hanging down from the middle waist are....wait, on second thought, no, I don´t want to know.

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Crashed on me...seems every bone is locked up solid.

[mr. blaaa]

Hey Ramon, i checked it out and of course it crashed my moho too...
But the bone setup really looks... either megalomaniac or genial

It really made me coureous... Now i must steal the secret formula!!

Looks like you keep your moho recipes and secrets for a good reason!

Regards.

[Rasheed]

Sorry, but no crash here.
Moho 5.3 and Mac OS X 10.3.9.

Although I must say, the new version crashes (and locks) more often than earlier versions. However, I don't seem to be able to reproduce the crash or lockup.

I have noticed that when I use Moho for a long time (more than 2 hours), things start to slow down and text fields get frozen (I cannot change the text field's value anymore). If I continue, Moho crashes, so I have disciplined myself if I see text fields not responding to mouseclicks, to save my current work, exit and restart Moho. This seems to be a good work-around for now, and it prevents developing a mouse-arm as well.

If I zoom in, this scenario speeds up and Moho sometimes crashes without prior warning.

BTW I have had this "feature" since I started using Moho, but in version 5.3 things got worse, it seems. I didn't report this until now, because I couldn't deduce which circumstances caused Moho to crash. And I stil can't.