Has anybody actually made anime/manga with anime studio?

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GCharb wrote:tiger is right though, without a bit of talent and dedication, any type of professional animation endeavour is waste of time.

You need to work, and work hard, spend huge amount of time in your art, or you might as well sell candies on the corner of main and fifth avenue!

ok, I cant just "work hard" when i have no idea what to work hard at. I know the basics but you just cant give somebody adobe flash and say "work hard" and you can make 3d animations. Where exactly do i start? What are some common techniques? What does the red button do! Im not looking for someone to make it for me. I have no idea how to use this software to make anime style animations so id thought id ask some professionals. Ive got some nice help so far and have been blow away by technotise. Its been helpful. I now need help on designing characters. I have enough creativity to create my own but i just need help capturing that anime look. Thanks :roll:
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Riziam wrote:
GCharb wrote:tiger is right though, without a bit of talent and dedication, any type of professional animation endeavour is waste of time.

You need to work, and work hard, spend huge amount of time in your art, or you might as well sell candies on the corner of main and fifth avenue!

ok, I cant just "work hard" when i have no idea what to work hard at. I know the basics but you just cant give somebody adobe flash and say "work hard" and you can make 3d animations. Where exactly do i start? What are some common techniques? What does the red button do! Im not looking for someone to make it for me. I have no idea how to use this software to make anime style animations so id thought id ask some professionals. Ive got some nice help so far and have been blow away by technotise. Its been helpful. I now need help on designing characters. I have enough creativity to create my own but i just need help capturing that anime look. Thanks :roll:
You being a little simplistic here, to learn animation you need to roll up your sleeve and work at it.

You want to make anime, good then, just learn the basic of drawing in Anime Studio and spend your days drawing anime style characters, then, when comfortable with the drawing tools, just read the tutorials that comes with it then rig them, then animate them, it is all in the manual.

No one will tell you how to draw anime, you got to learn that yourself by first copying existing one, then, from the knowledge you get from that, start working on your own.

This is a bit pointless, if you had started to work with ASP when you started this thread, you would be making your own anime style by now.

Just get at it, it will then come to you, and RTFM, this is the basic of all things related to Anime Studio, we all started there.

You say you have no idea what to work hard at, don't you want to make anime, if yes, then there is what you need to work hard at, and quite frankly you will never get to anything if you just hang around chating about what you need or want to do, just get at it, and you will get there!
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GCharb wrote:
Riziam wrote:
GCharb wrote:tiger is right though, without a bit of talent and dedication, any type of professional animation endeavour is waste of time.

You need to work, and work hard, spend huge amount of time in your art, or you might as well sell candies on the corner of main and fifth avenue!

ok, I cant just "work hard" when i have no idea what to work hard at. I know the basics but you just cant give somebody adobe flash and say "work hard" and you can make 3d animations. Where exactly do i start? What are some common techniques? What does the red button do! Im not looking for someone to make it for me. I have no idea how to use this software to make anime style animations so id thought id ask some professionals. Ive got some nice help so far and have been blow away by technotise. Its been helpful. I now need help on designing characters. I have enough creativity to create my own but i just need help capturing that anime look. Thanks :roll:
You being a little simplistic here, to learn animation you need to roll up your sleeve and work at it.

You want to make anime, good then, just learn the basic of drawing in Anime Studio and spend your days drawing anime style characters, then, when comfortable with the drawing tools, just read the tutorials that comes with it then rig them, then animate them, it is all in the manual.

No one will tell you how to draw anime, you got to learn that yourself by first copying existing one, then, from the knowledge you get from that, start working on your own.

This is a bit pointless, if you had started to work with ASP when you started this thread, you would be making your own anime style by now.

Just get at it, it will then come to you, and RTFM, this is the basic of all things related to Anime Studio, we all started there.

You say you have no idea what to work hard at, don't you want to make anime, if yes, then there is what you need to work hard at, and quite frankly you will never get to anything if you just hang around chating about what you need or want to do, just get at it, and you will get there!
Man its like you literally didnt hear anything i just said. Ok so, when i was making my first animation......i used that knight with the fruit helmet from the content library. When i animated him, his torso vent and his fruit jiggled automatically whenever i moved him. I want to know how to do that with someones hair. (to move automatically). This is something that is impossible to figure out your self imo, so i needed some guidance. This is a example of why and how i ask these questions. I actually run the idea and then i ecounter a problem! I tried making MY character and i just couldnt draw quite what i was thinking of so im thinking that i might need a waocom tablet to be more in control. I want to know is making those kind of characters only achievable with the tablet? I know that questions answer now! Also, why do you assume that all i do is chat about it rather than doing it. I obviously go on asp8 to experiment on what im learning.
:evil:a how to use this software to make anime style animations so id thought id ask some professionals. Ive got some nice help so far and have been blow away by technotise. Its been helpful. I now need help on designing characters. I have enough creativity to create my own but i just need help capturing that anime look. Thanks :roll:[/quote]You being a little simplistic here, to learn animation you need to roll up your sleeve and work at it.

You want to make anime, good then, just learn the basic of drawing in Anime Studio and spend your days drawing anime style characters, then, when comfortable with the drawing tools, just read the tutorials that comes with it then rig them, then animate them, it is all in the manual.

No one will tell you how to draw anime, you got to learn that yourself by first copying existing one, then, from the knowledge you get from that, start working on your own.

This is a bit pointless, if you had started to work with ASP when you started this thread, you would be making your own anime style by now.

Just get at it, it will then come to you, and RTFM, this is the basic of all things related to Anime Studio, we all started there.

You say you have no idea what to work hard at, don't you want to make anime, if yes, then there is what you need to work hard at, and quite frankly you will never get to anything if you just hang around chating about what you need or want to do, just get at it, and you will get there![/quote]

Man its like you literally didnt hear anything i just said. Ok so, when i was making my first animation......i used that knight with the fruit helmet from the content library. When i animated him, his torso vent and his fruit jiggled automatically whenever i moved him. I want to know how to do that with someones hair. (to move automatically). This is something that is impossible to figure out your self imo, so i needed some guidance. This is a example of why and how i ask these questions. I actually run the idea and then i ecounter a problem! I tried making MY character and i just couldnt draw quite what i was thinking of so im thinking that i might need a waocom tablet to be more in control. I want to know is making those kind of characters only achievable with the tablet? I know that questions answer now! Also, why do you assume that all i do is chat about it rather than doing it. I obviously go on asp8 to experiment on what im learning.
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Riziam wrote:When i animated him, his torso vent and his fruit jiggled automatically whenever i moved him. I want to know how to do that with someones hair. (to move automatically). This is something that is impossible to figure out your self imo, so i needed some guidance.
I haven't looked at that character but it sounds like it's using bone dynamics. Page 85 in the manual for AS8.
Riziam wrote: I tried making MY character and i just couldnt draw quite what i was thinking of so im thinking that i might need a waocom tablet to be more in control. I want to know is making those kind of characters only achievable with the tablet?
I have a wacom tablet but never use it in AS. I find it's much better to just build characters point by point. Any kind of character can be made this way. I find that when you draw using the freehand tool you get too many points which makes it harder to do point by point animation.

What I do use the tablet for is to sketch characters and environments in Paint Tool Sai and then use those sketches as guides when I build the actual characters/environments in AS.
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Post by crowley »

grab a copy of "manga clip art" - I've seen it at four local libraries - cdrom - characters pre-drawn and chopped into layers. Just need resizing down to fit the AS screen.
These guys aren't dissing you - I remember reading somewhere that even a guy like peter chung spent zillions of hours on "Rugrats" before getting Aeon flux out. It's all animation.
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Ponysmasher, I use a tablet to build point by point, as with a mouse, actually ditched the mouse altogether here! :)

Riziam, I meant what I said, all that you ask for is in the manual, bone dynamics is what makes hair and fruit go all over, RTFM.

And it is the truth, you need to roll up your sleeves, I started to make decent stuff with ASP only a few days after I bought it, been tons of fun since.

Only hard work, dedication and focus will allow you to achieve your goal.

Never done anime myself, but I am pretty sure I could do these with only a few references images and with the basic tool set of ASP.

Keep at it, stop relying on others and learn from the manual, it is all there.

Now, if you want to learn the workarounds, or go beyond what the manual does, then we will be thrilled to show you the amazing array of what ASP can do when pushed to it's limits.

Learn the basics, these are the foundation of all you will ever do in ASP, and the basics will allow you to make any sort of styles, including anime.
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RTFM? I didnt know what it meant at first. Then i searched it. I was shocked that you pretty muched sweared lol. I dont know why i was but you just seemed professional and i didnt expect that from a professional.Anyway, Sorry for my last post which somehow got combined with the quote i had in there. Ill go check out the manual though. :shock:
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RTFM isn't really rude nowadays, it's what n00bs get told when they're too lazy to look something up and ask instead.

If you want to do something similar to a character that came with the program LOOK AT IT - DECONSTRUCT IT - then you will have the knowledge to repeat the steps for yourself. Reading the manual really helps too! ;)

The problem is you're asking for too much hand holding instead of showing initiative. If you want to create anime, study manga drawing, study animation, learn to write, learn to record voices, learn the tools in AS and put it all together. If you don't have the patience, drive or are unwilling to put in the effort yourself you may as well give up now - no one can give you all the information you need to complete a project just by kicking back and asking about every step.

PLAY WITH IT, you can't break anything - the only possible outcome is more skills and knowledge, and the descovery of new problems to solve.
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heheh, sorry if the quote RTFM seemed harsh, it is one of my favourite but was not intended in a mean way!

As funksmyname said, and as I did say myself, if you don't put an effort into this, you will go nowhere, will be asking still in a month and will have done nothing worthwhile.

So, by telling you to RTFM, I am actually helping you get off your fannies and help yourself.

As funksmyname so elegantly put it, by playing with it you can only get better, while sitting there asking around will get you nowhere and will certainly not help you get the drive needed to become an animator.

In case you did not figured it out yet, animation is hard work, so roll up your sleeves! :)
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I don't know a lot about animation but i was a programmer for 3 and a half decades and I can't tell you how many times I heard this same conversation related to programming.

"How do I learn it?" You just do. Get a book. Get a compiler. Get a friend. Just whatever it takes to get started. And then work hard at it. Or play hard at it, depending on your point of view.

Programming takes a bit of talent in a number of areas. Not that anyone can't learn it. Anyone with reasonable intelligence who's willing to work on it can and does learn it. But one of the skills they need is the ability to teach themselves. To find ways to learn the things they don't know.

You can ask all the questions you want and some of the answers will help. You can read the books and do the exercises. But you learn to do it by learning to do it. And yes I agree that makes no sense at all. But there it is. It's what you have to do if you want to learn it.

I suspect that learning animation is kind of the same thing. I just play at it. I'm not really trying very hard to learn it and I don't plan to and that's okay. I enjoy the time I spend with it and that's enough for me.

But it sounds like you want more. So do more.

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The art of asking a question...

It's a big difference wether you ask "How do I draw that character - here's my blank page", or you ask "How do I improve my drawing - here's my character so far". The first one will make you look lazy. The second one will always get you answers and constructive criticism.
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thanks, the bone dynamics pdf was very helpful. What were the other ones you guys told me to look at that can be found in the manual? (dont try to be funny and say "everything") :twisted:
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Also, you can get a 12 month license for Retas Studio for about $80, which I find really irritating, as in the US, you would have to pay thousands of dollars for the same thing.
How do you get this license? Can you post a link please?
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Re: Has anybody actually made anime/manga with anime studio?

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This thread is 4 years old, I doubt You still can find Retas Pro at that price anymore!
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GCharb wrote:This thread is 4 years old, I doubt You still can find Retas Pro at that price anymore!
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Guess it's a day late and a dollar short...
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