Problem: Hidden and Omitted Edges Appearing

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Problem: Hidden and Omitted Edges Appearing

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Hey. First post here. I have been an avid reader of the forums for the past couple of months while I have been developing my skills with AS 7. I am about ready to start properly building specific characters, but there is one final problem I can't seem to overcome...

A small edge slightly darker then the fill seems to occur when the edge is ontop of a fill the same colour the shape is filled (hard to explain).

EXAMPLE - If I create a square that is brown, and on the same layer or another layer above the square create a triangle that is filled the same colour as the square and fits in the sqaure, there will be an edge around the triangle...

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The edges aren't always noticeable, but can get very obvious and annoying.

Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
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I can't understand well the problem nor reproduce it. Can you post an anme file to check?
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Thanks for the reply. Heres the file: http://www.2shared.com/file/mTf4T3m7/hidden_edges.html

When I render that file, there is a small border that appears around the triangle even though I have not created a stroke for the triangle. Even if I created a stroke and used the hide edge tool the border would still appear. The border does not appear until it is rendered.

The above is just a simple example to illustrate the problem. It may be hard to tell, but in the left image there is a small border around the triangle (sometimes it is a lot more pronounced). This is clearly shown as in the second image, as I used the paintbucket in Paint to fill around the triangle and inside it (indicating there is a border around the triangle).
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Post by Víctor Paredes »

Sorry, I render it and can't see any problem. All I get is everything brown. I'm on 7.1, which version are you using?
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Post by adam_r »

Anime Studio Pro Version 7.0.

Could you show me a .png of your render? No triangle border appears around the triangle? :(

Any solutions or ideas of how to fix it or work around it? Is it a glitch or setting problem?
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Post by Víctor Paredes »

adam_r wrote:Anime Studio Pro Version 7.0.

Could you show me a .png of your render? No triangle border appears around the triangle? :(

Any solutions or ideas of how to fix it or work around it? Is it a glitch or setting problem?
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This is the image I got. I have zoomed, inverted, created a new one and nothing, I see no border.
You should download 7.1 from Smith Micro page. Maybe it's a bug from 7.0.
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Yours has the border around the triangle too. I can see it, it is exactly as my above picture. If you have the Paint program or similar, use the paintbucket tool and fill the square in - it will end up with the triangle showing. I then filled in the triangle and the border is left over.

When it is like that it is hard to see, but it is there if you look closely...

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Post by Víctor Paredes »

Oh, you are totally right. Uhm, I'm gonna investigate this. Meanwhile I'm gonna to move this thread to Bug's discussions section.
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Post by adam_r »

Thanks heaps! This has been annoying me becuase the lines can become very visable - to the point you can notice them easily without zooming or using a paintbucket tool.
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Post by Víctor Paredes »

Ok, I found some kind of solution. Export your animation and on export options uncheck "antialiased edges". I think it has been discussed before and, for what I think I remember, you can export your non antialiased animation at the double of the real size and then scale it to 50% on your editing software (or even on AS, if you want). This way you get rid of the weird edges and even so you obtain smooth images.

PD: to test it, you can export your animation as png sequence, but from frame 1 to 1 (to get only one png file).
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Post by adam_r »

Ok, so now I'm approaching what I am looking for. The only problem is that the only reasonable looking edge appears at a rediculously high resolution, which for the lengths of animation I am going to make will just crash my computer.

I may be very optimistic, but I have thought of an idea for a simple script that should fix the problem > viewtopic.php?p=102471#102471

Hopefully someone can develop it....
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