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CowsCanFly wrote:woha harsh...

Harsh maybe but its a commercial world - I've worked with a lot of broadcasters and producers ... they are interested in what the studio/software can do. If they cannot tick the delivery boxes, they walk. The commercial world is tough and extremely competative - there is little room for errors.

I hope fair and balanced too: Look at this from the other side - I have just submitted a proposal for a HDTV series to a principle broadcaster, the budget is just over US$500,000. I have to justify to them, in writing and in detail, that I can deliver the project on time, on budget and pass strict QC.

If you only had Moho as your animation tool, could you provide that assurance?

Rhoel

Rhoel wrote: If you only had Moho as your animation tool, could you provide that assurance?

Rhoel

well yeah!!!, moho is the best, the easiest and the cheapest animating program that i have ever seen!!!

Try and keep it realistic Cowscanfly. Don't take this personal, but have you ever worked under the circumstances Rhoel described?

PS. There is no such thing as "the best" animation software.

Manu wrote:Try and keep it realistic Cowscanfly. Don't take this personal, but have you ever worked under the circumstances Rhoel described?

PS. There is no such thing as "the best" animation software.

yeah you are right, i am wrong... :)

CowsCanFly wrote:

Rhoel wrote: If you only had Moho as your animation tool, could you provide that assurance?

Rhoel

well yeah!!!, moho is the best, the easiest and the cheapest animating program that i have ever seen!!!

I had a key job worked on an international production called Billy the Cat, 26 * 30 - the animation elements for that series could easily have been done on Moho. Without the ability to import prebuilt libraries of run cycles and other stock, I'm not sure about the budget. But with the current configuration of Moho, you could not deliver the series, because you cannot track in on bitmaps. That's a problem.

And it needs to be addressed.

Rhoel wrote: I had a key job worked on an international production called Billy the Cat, 26 * 30 - the animation elements for that series could easily have been done on Moho. Without the ability to import prebuilt libraries of run cycles and other stock, I'm not sure about the budget. But with the current configuration of Moho, you could not deliver the series, because you cannot track in on bitmaps. That's a problem.
And it needs to be addressed.

k i agree. and just for the record did you know that Fosters home for imaginery friends is made in flash :):):)

I can just but repeat myself: no professional does his work with only one tool. Different tasks ask for different tools, and while some tasks may be done with any tool more or less satisfying, others profit a great deal from specialised tools.

If studios rely on only one tool, they decided to live with all the limitations of that tool, artistically or otherwise. Often this decision only lasts as long as one certain project lasts. The next project may ask for a completely different style, a different workflow, whatever, and thus the tools will be chosen.

All-in-one solutions for animation are in a completely different range of price than Moho - and they have to offer a lot more flexibility and functionality than Moho has, right now (and many of those required functions have already been mentioned).

k i agree. and just for the record did you know that Fosters home for imaginery friends is made in flash :):)

Well, yes I did...but I'm struggling to see the relevance to this discussion?

Going back to what you said, Rhoel, in trying to demolish my point about the pricing; I suggest that most professional graphic designers in the UK would always go for a reassuringly expensive DTP program such as Quark Express rather than something given away on cornflake packets like Serif's. The reason Serif PagePlus has been successful is quite simply because they use pile-em-high and sell-em-cheap marketing and that market, from what I can see, consists entirely of hobbyists and other home users plus small clubs, societies etc not big graphic design studios. I regularly receive mailings from Serif offering me upgrades for practically no cost other than p+p. The comparison with Moho is meaningless. If we want Moho to make the transition from cheap hobbyist tool to a professional application with technical support, I can't see how it can remain as cheap as it is without different versions; that's just my opinion, however, and I am quite happy to be proved wrong.

(Actually, PagePlus does have different versions; the basic one is now free and the "professional" version costs GBP99.)

My impression is that Animo is struggling to survive and has been that way for some years, but this is nothing to do with its pricing. It is idiotic to think that if it cost 99 bucks, everyone would buy it. If there were professional animation studios that couldn't afford Animo, they have had the option of buying the far cheaper CTP for very many years. I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that the most successful suite of animation software right now in terms of international sales is that of Toon Boom. Interestingly, they do differently priced products from hobbyist level up to professional. Their top range product, Harmony, is so expensive, you'll have great trouble finding out how much it actually costs.

Jeff

Manu wrote:By the way, GreyKid Pictures. I can't see any animations on your website. Is it still under construction?

You need the latest flash player (which I'm sure you have)

Click the 'Portfolio' section then one of the different areas (Features for instance). On the bottom left of the screen is an animated icon with movie next to it, roll over it and a large/small message appears, click one and enjoy!

Hope you like what we can achieve with Moho.

@GreyKid: I love all your animations!! They are all well done and they show how powerfull Moho is!!!

Could you make a tiny little tutorial about your working-process ? (illustrating and rigging in moho) That would be soo great!

How about a Moho-learning-DVD? I would buy it!!!!

GreyKid Pictures wrote:You need the latest flash player (which I'm sure you have)

Click the 'Portfolio' section then one of the different areas (Features for instance). On the bottom left of the screen is an animated icon with movie next to it, roll over it and a large/small message appears, click one and enjoy!

Hope you like what we can achieve with Moho.

I'm afraid your website doesn't like Safari too much. I tried it in Firefox and that worked fine.
I'm very impressed by the quality of your work. Very slick.

jeff wrote:My impression is that Animo is struggling to survive and has been that way for some years, but this is nothing to do with its pricing.

Why is Animo struggling that much then? Is Toon Boom any better? Is it a marketing thing?
I think it's quite relevant to this whole discussion

Manu wrote:I'm afraid your website doesn't like Safari too much. I tried it in Firefox and that worked fine. I'm very impressed by the quality of your work. Very slick.

Thanks Manu, we try our best! You're using Safari, right I'll get my web team onto that problem! (we just sorted out the Firefox browser porblems) We finish a new music video today, I'll post a link on the forum when its online.

Moho is a great tool in certain areas, we use it mainly for character animation, I think it's unmatched in this area (as far as 2d is concerned) and it's the area that we think LM should focus on. Flash is a pain to get good character animation out of. Toonboom Studio also doesn't work for us. Moho gives us the most creative freedom, of course a team is only as good as their talent, luckily we have a very strong team.

Haki wrote:@GreyKid: I love all your animations!! They are all well done and they show how powerfull Moho is!!!

Could you make a tiny little tutorial about your working-process ? (illustrating and rigging in moho) That would be soo great!

How about a Moho-learning-DVD? ;) I would buy it!!!! :D

Thanks Haki, We are starting a new project shortly and are considering posting a tutorial on it's production, it'll be posted on the forum when we start.

Unfortunately, the GreyKid site doesn't display very well in Firefox on Linux. The menu items in the flash are invisible but clicking on the area loads the parts. I can see the stills from your animations but the interface is very broken otherwise. I realise it may be because it requires Flash player 8 whereas only v7 is available for Linux.

Just thought you might like to know this if you don't already. Otherwise, I loved the characters on the stills, they look very cartooney and professional.

@greykid:

Thanks Haki, We are starting a new project shortly and are considering posting a tutorial on it's production, it'll be posted on the forum when we start.

Wow that would be soooo cool!!!